Hrvoje Sirovina

Hrvoje SirovinaSID: I am here with Hrvoje Sirovina and he's from Germany. He's been with us before and you weren't supposed to be here. They wouldn't let you into the United States. You must have really prayed hard.

HRVOJE: No, actually I believe there is an agenda of God here.

SID: I believe that also.

HRVOJE: He—

SID: You're here because God wants you here. What happened the last time you did a show with us

HRVOJE: We got overwhelmed with emails, phone calls from all over the world. There were so many testimonies. Testimonies of people, they got healed, heart diseases got healed and even families got reunited, businesses started to flourish, people received hearing again. So it was like testimonies and testimonies but also a lot of prayer requests.

SID: He was very surprised because he never realized the power of television and social media that the healings were as easy as if he laid hands on people.

HRVOJE: That's true. Usually it's in a service where the glory of God comes and people get healed but in this time it was really through the airwaves of television and social media. Amazing.

SID: And in your congregation in Germany you said enough was enough and you declared May the miracle month in your church. But you got much more than that. What happened?

HRVOJE: That's true. Actually there were selfish reasons because at the end of May it is our annual family vacation. So I said no. And all the borders were closed, shut down. So we were like, "No, no, no. I have to go to have my family vacation this year." I declared the month of May as a miracle month and I started to preach about dancing through the storm.

SID: And the newspapers, actually the secular newspapers picked this up and ran headlines.

HRVOJE: Yes, that's true. Even to the last day, day before we had to leave for our vacation, nothing looked like the borders are going to open up. Nothing looked like that our government is taking down the lockdown. So we prayed. I prayed. I proclaimed and the very next day our newspaper, our May newspaper, the headlines were, "Germany Is Dancing Again".

Audience: Amen.

SID: Don't you tell me things are impossible in your life. He got to go on vacation.

HRVOJE: Come on.

SID: National headlines.

HRVOJE: Come on.

SID: "Germany Is Dancing Again." Wow. But you know what excites me even more? When you went to the gym and God began to download things about going from glory to glory, the 10 levels of glory. Explain that.

HRVOJE: I was in the gym and I was thinking and meditating on the word of God and I was meditating about the glory of God and meditating about scriptures like in 1 John 4:12 where the Bible says, "No one has ever seen God at any time." But then scriptures came up where I saw and I know there are so many.

HRVOJE: Over 80 people, I found over 80 people in the Bible who saw God and that's where suddenly scripture after scripture came to my mind and I went home. I studied and that's what the Holy Spirit revealed to me, the 10 levels of glory and how we go from glory to glory and how it manifests practically, naturally and supernaturally in our lives.

SID: Speaking of supernaturally, I heard you tell something that happened to members of your congregation, including your wife when they were out in the spirit, laying on the floor. You and others saw smoke coming out of them.

HRVOJE: Yeah, we had that. We had a pretty rough time in the church. People and persecution coming up but people were so hungry for God. So in our prayer meetings they would lay down on the floor, they would just give their lives as a living sacrifice. It was such a glorious time. In that time we had a lot of healings, even five people raised from the dead during that time. But when people would rise up, come up again you could see smoke coming out of their shoulders and their head. We believe it was like God said, "I accept your living sacrifice."

SID: It's a foretaste of what is coming—

HRVOJE: Oh yeah.

SID: ... because the statement that I've been saying lately is, "All hands on deck."

HRVOJE: Come on.

SID: It's not just one or two people that God anoints to become superstars through media or something like that and I'm saying to you that all hands on deck.

HRVOJE: Come on.

SID: As best you can, explain the glory of God.

HRVOJE: I think the glory is best described in Luke 5:26 where Jesus healed a paralyzed man and forgave his sin. The Bible says, "The people saw that and they say, 'We have witnessed strange things.'" The word strange is paråxenos in Greek and para means before and doxa means glory. And paråxenos we get the word, the English word, paradoxical. Something crazy, unexplainable, something unusual, something which doesn't make sense.

HRVOJE: So they witnessed something, they witnessed the glory of God and it doesn't make sense for their human mind. It doesn't make sense for all the natural laws. It doesn't make sense from it. That's why they say, "We have witnessed strange things," paradoxical things but it was the glory of God. It's when heaven and Earth overlap and the supernatural overrides the rules of the natural.

SID: Most people just say, "God, I’m like me, show me your glory," but then the Bible says we can go from glory to glory to glory. I've really got to understand these 10 levels of glory. How about you? What level of glory are you at?

HRVOJE: Oh, number one.

SID: Next question.

HRVOJE: I believe I am in level six and actually I believe that's my ... yeah, yeah. I love that level because it's the level of the fear of God and I believe that the fear of God is the most important thing in our lives. I believe if you have the fear of God that it is a doorway to all other glorious miraculous steps and experiences in our lives. I believe if we have the fear of God I believe we are going to ... our countries are going to be changed because of us.

Audience: Yes.

HRVOJE: I believe our families are going to be changed. In the Bible there is nothing which is connected to more blessings than to the fear of God. Nothing, nothing, really nothing. Even Jesus, the Bible says that Jesus during the days of his first—

SID: I never saw a book titled The Fear of God. It was not a big seller in America, or the world for that matter.

HRVOJE: Yeah, but you know actually our news and media, they like fear. So I believe it might be a good title.

SID: I'll tell you what, when we come back Hrvoje will reveal what he has discovered about accessing unlimited glory, unlimited.

SID: Hrvoje, you believe that the glory of God can and should be experienced. Why do you believe this so strongly?

HRVOJE: I believe because you see it all over the Bible. You see that Jesus is doing miracles. Jesus is revealing his glory. We see in John 5 where there is a person who was paralyzed for 38 years, yet he wasn't looking for Jesus but Jesus introduced himself to him. He wasn't asking for healing yet Jesus came to him because he saw his need. So he didn't know who Jesus was but Jesus introduced himself to him and what Jesus did, Jesus asked him, "Do you want to be healed?"

HRVOJE: And everything, what he answered was excuses and doubt and yet Jesus healed him anyways. So Jesus wants to heal. It's not about am I a Christian or not? Do I believe in Jesus or not? It's that kind, that level of glory is for everybody and we should spread that kind of glory in the world for people to believe in the Messiah Jesus Christ.

Audience: Amen.

SID: You talked about Moses and the glory.

HRVOJE: Yeah. In Exodus 33 the Bible says that Moses prayed, "Show me the glory." I really believe the reason why he was able to ask for more of glory because in verse 11 the Bible says that God spoke to Moses face-to-face like a friend to a friend. That is glorious. That is amazing.

HRVOJE: But yet, seven verses later he said, "Show me your glory." He was hungry. He was hungry but why could he ask that? And I believe it's because of verse 13 where he says, "God, show me your way." So seeing glory produced unselfish, unselfish wishes in his life. He didn't want more blessings for himself. He wanted more of God and less of himself.

Audience: Amen.

Hrvoje Sirovina says the awesomeness of God surrounds those who...

SID: Let's take level two of glory that you teach on. Level two is signs and wonders. Let's be candid, most believers think it's not for them because they've never seen it before. But what does the Bible and what do you say about that?

HRVOJE: Oh, it's for everybody. But I asked God, "God, why is it only at level two?" He said, "It's level two because I don't want my people to get stuck at level two." So he said, "There is more and from experiencing signs, wonders and miracles is not the end of the story. It's just the beginning."

HRVOJE: And he said, "Go out and heal the sick. Go out, cast out demons. Go out and raise the dead. The power is in us." And that's what the Bible teaches. So we are supposed to do all these things because we have stepped into that kind and level of glory immediately when we received Jesus Christ as our savior.

SID: You had quite an encounter at a time when you were really struggling. Many of you are really struggling right now. Tell us about that encounter.

HRVOJE: I got saved. God saved me. I didn't look for God. I didn't ask for God. I thought I loved God but he hit me like from nowhere. I thought, "God, this is so amazing." The first two months of my walk with Jesus I thought this is like miracle land. It's like wonderland. This is like it's always going to be like that.

HRVOJE: But after two months my flesh started to knock on my life and then I experienced ... what I've experienced in my spirit it didn't spill over into every part of my life. So I struggled with some issues, sin issues in my life and I thought, "God, I can't do that. I don't know what to do." And then one August in 2001 I got a dream.

HRVOJE: In that dream I was in a stadium in our city and there was a wrestling match going on, an arm wrestling match. There was a guy, he was huge. He was so tall, he was so strong, he beat everybody and there was no opponent any more and he was looking into the stands and he said, "You." He was pointing towards me and I thought, "What? You mean me. No, I can't do that." My mind was like, "Man, that is embarrassing. No, I can't arm wrestle with him." But he really meant me.

HRVOJE: So I went to the front, I thought to myself, "Okay, let it just go over quick. Just leave the building. It's going to be embarrassing." So he took my hand. His hand was so big I couldn't see my hand and then the referee started the arm wrestling match. I closed my eyes and I thought, "Okay, that's it. That's it." Nothing happened so I opened my eyes and I saw he was red in his face. He tried so hard to beat me. He couldn't beat me.

HRVOJE: I thought, "This is my opportunity." So I took all of my strength and tried to beat him but nothing happened. But in that moment I said, "Holy Spirit, help me." I beat him. People started to jump. They took me on their shoulders and I said, "It has nothing to do with me. It's not me. It's the Holy Spirit." I woke up and I knew, I have to get baptized with the Holy Spirit to get over all these issues I was struggling with.

SID: There is such a need for people, as you said earlier, to understand the fear of the Lord but it's not what you think. Would you explain that?

HRVOJE: Exodus 20:20 says, "Fear not, God came to test you that his fear might be before you." So fear not, but you should be afraid, which means the fear of God casts out all other fears. The fear of God may cast out all our fears you have in life. The fears you have concerning your family, concerning your job. The fear of God casts all of these fears.

HRVOJE: Having the fear of God is running towards God. It's not running away from God. I believe it's a door and gateway to the highest levels of glory. I believe if we have the fear of God I really believe that nothing's going to be impossible for us, nothing.

SID: You talked earlier about seeing God and you talked about what was it? Some 80 people saw God in the Scriptures but few walked with God.

HRVOJE: That's right. Exodus 24:9-11, that was my life Bible verse. I thought it can't get any more glorious than that. The Bible says that Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu and the 70 elders they went up to the mountain, they saw God and ate and drank with him. I thought, "Man, that's it. That's it. Come on. That's it." But then, that's chapter 24 and in chapter 32 you see exactly the same guys except Moses and Joshua building the golden calf. The saw God yet still they ended up in idolatry.

SID: It's hard to believe.

HRVOJE: You know what I believe? God said to me, I said, "God, how is this possible?" And God said, "Because after that incident Moses went further up. All others went down." So all others were satisfied with what they saw and they were happy to just post it on the social media about that experience. But Moses wasn't happy with social media. He wanted more of God. He wanted to walk with God. He said, "No, no, no it's fine to see God. It's fine to eat with God. It's fine to drink with God but God show me your way. I want to walk with you."

HRVOJE: Acts 4. I love Acts 4 where Peter and John were in front of the Sanhedrin and the Sanhedrin questioned them and you know what the Sanhedrin said? We see these guys and the Bible says they are uneducated and untrained. The word untrained in Greek is idiotes.

SID: Oh I know that one. Idiot.

HRVOJE: There you go. That's what they saw in Peter and John but then they said, "Something is different with them." And then they saw they walked, they have been with Jesus. And that's what the glory of God does. I believe the glory of God, we can measure the glory of God. How can we measure the glory of God? The Bible says in 2 Corinthians 3:18, "Beholding like in a mirror the glory of God being transformed into the image from glory to glory."

HRVOJE: Transformed into which image? Into the image of Jesus Christ. How much glory we have experienced is measured by how much are we transformed into the same image as Jesus Christ. Do we love more? Do we forgive more? Do we repent more? Do we praise more? Do we long more for the presence of God?

SID: Okay, level nine, unity with God.

HRVOJE: Unity with God. I believe that's the highest level any human will ever reach.

SID: You said there were 10 levels.

HRVOJE: There are 10. That's the highest for us.

SID: Okay. Tell us about the ninth.

HRVOJE: The ninth—

SID: Since that's the only one we can reach.

HRVOJE: Level nine is unity with God and you know what? 24 hours before the hardest time of Jesus' life he prays this prayer and he prays for unity. Unity between us Christians, between us believers and unity with God. I believe unity is the strongest bond between us. The Bible says that what God said and we know the story about the Tower of Babel in Genesis 11 and God had to mess up their languages because he said, "These people are as one." And he said, "Nothing is going to be impossible for them." These were unbelievers.

SID: So the law of unity operates whether they're believers or not.

HRVOJE: Absolutely. Look, why is the kingdom of darkness so successful in the last centuries? Why? Not because of love. I doubt there is any love in between demons and spiritual forces of darkness. Why are they successful? Because of unity.

SID: But how much more can believers that operate in God's love in unity—

HRVOJE: Ah, man.

SID: ... accomplish if a non-believer could do it.

HRVOJE: Nothing is going to be impossible for us, nothing. Nothing.

Audience: Amen

HRVOJE: Transformation of society, transformation of society, nothing is going to be impossible for us, nothing.

SID: Okay, you piqued my curiosity. What is this 10th level?

HRVOJE: It's called the unapproachable light. And the Bible says God lives in an unapproachable light. It's reserved for God and I'm so ... Oh, I'm sorry. And I'm so glad about that because no one is like him. No one deserves a place like him, will never deserve a place like him. He is one of a kind. He is all love. He's gracious. He's amazing. He's so wonderful. The Bible says that eventually every knee will bow before him and I'm so glad that there is a place, it's only reserved for God. So I said, "God, you know what? But I want to be with you."

HRVOJE: So the Bible says in 1 John 4:12 that no one has ever seen God at all time but then it says if we love one another he's going to abide in us. There is a level, the 10th level, the unapproachable light, we will never get to that place because it's reserved for God and I'm soglad for that because no one is like him. But because he knows no one is ever get to that level, what he did, he stepped down and came and dwelt in us.

Hrvoje's Hearing His Voice Testimony

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